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I think we may be confusing boastfulness with the sin of Pride. Boasting, as Rascalking says, can be okay as long as it doesn't go too far. I have great pride in my children and boast about their acheivments regulalrly. I don't think this is bad. We've instilled a good work ethic and a desire to excel in all they do and it shows. Plus, I think its important for them to hear me baost about the esteem I have for them. I think it boosts their self-esteem and there's pleanty of good evidence that people with better self-esteem tend to do better in life.

The sin of pride as I understand it has to do with thinking that you can solve your problems or acheive something without God. In other words, forgetting that all things through God. All for his glory.
Pride is not good when we do not give God the glory for our gifts of everything. When we
ourselves take credit for all that we do and are.

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Pride is not good when we do not give God the glory for our gifts of everything. When we
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" There but for the grace of God go I" Peace, Carlan
Yes. I thought I made that point. Did you read something different in to my post?
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I've heard my dad say he was 'proud of himself' for fixing something he wasn't previously able to fix.
Is this considered "bad" in Catholicism?
Also,people say things like "im so proud of my child" "a proud new parent" "im proud of how you did at the audition" etc....

Are these types of "pride" bad or is the word "proud" used in different contexts and some are "bad" and some are ok/healthy?
What is the "bad" proud that Catholicism says is opposition to spiritual life?
the way we use "proud" in these examples is not what is the root of the deadly sin of pride. These are justifiable acknowledgements of human accomplishments.

Deadly pride is that offense against the 1st commandment, the sin of our first parents, which places our own will in place of God's, when we take on ourselves the definition of right and wrong, disobeying his commandments, and make gods of ourselves.
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Pride is not good when we do not give God the glory for our gifts of everything. When we
ourselves take credit for all that we do and are.

" There but for the grace of God go I" Peace, Carlan
I think though you are confusing boastfulness and the sin of Pride. They are two different things. I am not committing the sin of pride when I say, "I'm proud of my children, their acheivments, and the way that they comport themselves." If I fail to recognize that it is through God's providence that I and my wife have had the ability to teach them rightly so that they do well, I may be committing the sin of pride. If I fail to teach my children that all that they do and all that they accomplish is for God's greater glory then, I may be committing the sin of pride. If I look at the challneges, fears, and disappointments that fill my life and look to myself for relief instead of putting it at God's feet and trusting that he is working in my life for his own purpose and that that purpose is good, then I am certainly committing the sin of pride.
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the way we use "proud" in these examples is not what is the root of the deadly sin of pride. These are justifiable acknowledgements of human accomplishments.

Deadly pride is that offense against the 1st commandment, the sin of our first parents, which places our own will in place of God's, when we take on ourselves the definition of right and wrong, disobeying his commandments, and make gods of ourselves.
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Yes. I thought I made that point. Did you read something different in to my post?
Y es, you did. Sorry,I was unclear on that. Peace. Carlan
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Hmm...thanks.I'm not sure if everyone is on the same page though as there seems to be conflicting theories.

In general,i don't think he was boasting but was more saying that he was proud of an accomplishment he made regarding fixing some heater or something that he couldn't fix before.
It made me uncomfortable cause of the "pride" word,so i was just like "oh thats nice" and changed the topic.
So i think theres still general confusion regarding the meaning of "pride" and if there ok pride and "bad" pride etc?
I wish the English language wouldn't use the same words for so many different feeling states.
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Hmm...thanks.I'm not sure if everyone is on the same page though as there seems to be conflicting theories.

In general,i don't think he was boasting but was more saying that he was proud of an accomplishment he made regarding fixing some heater or something that he couldn't fix before.
It made me uncomfortable cause of the "pride" word,so i was just like "oh thats nice" and changed the topic.
So i think theres still general confusion regarding the meaning of "pride" and if there ok pride and "bad" pride etc?
I wish the English language wouldn't use the same words for so many different feeling states.
Why is pride a sin?

I think of pride as forgetting God as the source of accomplishment

I am not responsible for the grace I receive from God in my life, or the support I receive from others.

I think of sinful pride as that which exaggerates my role in my success, to the exclusion of the role of God and others. I am not the author of the majority of my good fortune or accomplishments.
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Why is pride a sin?

I think of pride as forgetting God as the source of accomplishment

I am not responsible for the grace I receive from God in my life, or the support I receive from others.

I think of sinful pride as that which exaggerates my role in my success, to the exclusion of the role of God and others. I am not the author of the majority of my good fortune or accomplishments.
Do you mean sort of like when actors receive an award and in their speech they say "I thank God..." or am i misunderstanding?
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Pride is not thanking God but puffing-out your chest at your accomplishments. Not being humble [it's opposite]. Holding yourself in higher esteem than God.
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I am not responsible for the grace I receive from God in my life, or the support I receive from others.

I think of sinful pride as that which exaggerates my role in my success, to the exclusion of the role of God and others. I am not the author of the majority of my good fortune or accomplishments.
You get all the grace you will need to defend the faith, and to live a godly life is given to you at confirmation. You are responsible to whether you use the grace God's given or not. It's how you use or fail to use all that since you have a choice you are responsible for it. God's going to hold everybody accountable for that.
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The sin of pride as I understand it has to do with thinking that you can solve your problems or acheive something without God. In other words, forgetting that all things through God. All for his glory.
Pride is not good when we do not give God the glory for our gifts of everything. When we
ourselves take credit for all that we do and are.

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Pride is not good when we do not give God the glory for our gifts of everything. When we
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I've heard my dad say he was 'proud of himself' for fixing something he wasn't previously able to fix.
Is this considered "bad" in Catholicism?
Also,people say things like "im so proud of my child" "a proud new parent" "im proud of how you did at the audition" etc....

Are these types of "pride" bad or is the word "proud" used in different contexts and some are "bad" and some are ok/healthy?
What is the "bad" proud that Catholicism says is opposition to spiritual life?
the way we use "proud" in these examples is not what is the root of the deadly sin of pride. These are justifiable acknowledgements of human accomplishments.

Deadly pride is that offense against the 1st commandment, the sin of our first parents, which places our own will in place of God's, when we take on ourselves the definition of right and wrong, disobeying his commandments, and make gods of ourselves.
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Pride is not good when we do not give God the glory for our gifts of everything. When we
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" There but for the grace of God go I" Peace, Carlan
I think though you are confusing boastfulness and the sin of Pride. They are two different things. I am not committing the sin of pride when I say, "I'm proud of my children, their acheivments, and the way that they comport themselves." If I fail to recognize that it is through God's providence that I and my wife have had the ability to teach them rightly so that they do well, I may be committing the sin of pride. If I fail to teach my children that all that they do and all that they accomplish is for God's greater glory then, I may be committing the sin of pride. If I look at the challneges, fears, and disappointments that fill my life and look to myself for relief instead of putting it at God's feet and trusting that he is working in my life for his own purpose and that that purpose is good, then I am certainly committing the sin of pride.
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the way we use "proud" in these examples is not what is the root of the deadly sin of pride. These are justifiable acknowledgements of human accomplishments.

Deadly pride is that offense against the 1st commandment, the sin of our first parents, which places our own will in place of God's, when we take on ourselves the definition of right and wrong, disobeying his commandments, and make gods of ourselves.
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Yes. I thought I made that point. Did you read something different in to my post?
Y es, you did. Sorry,I was unclear on that. Peace. Carlan
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Hmm...thanks.I'm not sure if everyone is on the same page though as there seems to be conflicting theories.

In general,i don't think he was boasting but was more saying that he was proud of an accomplishment he made regarding fixing some heater or something that he couldn't fix before.
It made me uncomfortable cause of the "pride" word,so i was just like "oh thats nice" and changed the topic.
So i think theres still general confusion regarding the meaning of "pride" and if there ok pride and "bad" pride etc?
I wish the English language wouldn't use the same words for so many different feeling states.
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Hmm...thanks.I'm not sure if everyone is on the same page though as there seems to be conflicting theories.

I think of pride as forgetting God as the source of accomplishment

I am not responsible for the grace I receive from God in my life, or the support I receive from others.

I think of sinful pride as that which exaggerates my role in my success, to the exclusion of the role of God and others. I am not the author of the majority of my good fortune or accomplishments.
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Why is pride a sin?

I think of pride as forgetting God as the source of accomplishment

I am not responsible for the grace I receive from God in my life, or the support I receive from others.

I think of sinful pride as that which exaggerates my role in my success, to the exclusion of the role of God and others. I am not the author of the majority of my good fortune or accomplishments.
Do you mean sort of like when actors receive an award and in their speech they say "I thank God..." or am i misunderstanding?
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Pride is not thanking God but puffing-out your chest at your accomplishments. Not being humble [it's opposite]. Holding yourself in higher esteem than God.
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I am not responsible for the grace I receive from God in my life, or the support I receive from others.

I think of sinful pride as that which exaggerates my role in my success, to the exclusion of the role of God and others. I am not the author of the majority of my good fortune or accomplishments.
You get all the grace you will need to defend the faith, and to live a godly life is given to you at confirmation. You are responsible to whether you use the grace God's given or not. It's how you use or fail to use all that since you have a choice you are responsible for it. God's going to hold everybody accountable for that.
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#4 Cũ Jun 13, ' 11, 10:27 amCủa Carlan Avatar Carlan Carlan là diễn đànThành viên thường xuyên Tham gia ngày: 15 tháng sáu 2009Bài viết: 3,458Tôn giáo: công giáoMặc định Re: Những gì hiện niềm tự hào có nghĩa là-là nó tốt hay xấu?Trích dẫn:Được gửi qua đường bưu điện lớn Ro ViewTôi nghĩ rằng chúng tôi có thể là boastfulness khó hiểu với những tội lỗi của niềm tự hào. Tự hào với, như Rascalking nói, có thể được rồi miễn là nó không đi quá xa. Tôi có niềm tự hào lớn ở trẻ em của tôi và tự hào về của họ regulalrly acheivments. Tôi không nghĩ rằng điều này là xấu. Chúng tôi đã thấm nhuần một đạo đức công việc tốt và một mong muốn để vượt trội trong tất cả họ làm và nó cho thấy. Plus, tôi nghĩ rằng quan trọng của nó để họ nghe thấy tôi baost về sự tôn trọng tôi đã cho họ. Tôi nghĩ rằng nó làm tăng lòng tự trọng của họ và có pleanty tốt bằng chứng cho thấy những người có lòng tự trọng tốt hơn có xu hướng làm tốt hơn trong cuộc sống. Tội lỗi của niềm tự hào như tôi hiểu nó đã làm với suy nghĩ rằng bạn có thể giải quyết vấn đề của bạn hoặc đạt được một cái gì đó không có Thiên Chúa. Nói cách khác, quên rằng tất cả những thứ thông qua Thiên Chúa. Tất cả cho vinh quang của Ngài.Niềm tự hào là không tốt khi chúng tôi không cung cấp cho Thiên Chúa vinh quang cho quà tặng của chúng tôi tất cả mọi thứ. Khi chúng tôichúng ta mất tín dụng cho tất cả những gì chúng tôi làm và."Có, nhưng đối với ân sủng của Thiên Chúa đi I" hòa bình, Carlan__________________Làm thế nào thường tôi đã mong để thu thập con cái của bạn như hen một tập hợp của cô brood dưới cánh của mình. 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Đây là lời cảm ơn chính đáng của các thành tựu của con người.Deadly pride is that offense against the 1st commandment, the sin of our first parents, which places our own will in place of God's, when we take on ourselves the definition of right and wrong, disobeying his commandments, and make gods of ourselves.__________________Whatever the Lord pleases He does, on heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps. Ps. 135Reply With Quote #7 Old Jun 13, '11, 1:24 pmBig Ro's Avatar Big Ro Big Ro is offlineRegular Member Join Date: October 11, 2009Posts: 1,353Religion: CatholicDefault Re: What does pride mean-is it good or bad?Quote:Originally Posted by Carlan View PostPride is not good when we do not give God the glory for our gifts of everything. When weourselves take credit for all that we do and are." There but for the grace of God go I" Peace, CarlanTôi nghĩ rằng mặc dù bạn đang khó hiểu boastfulness và tội lỗi của niềm tự hào. Họ là hai việc khác nhau. Tôi không cam kết những tội lỗi của niềm tự hào khi tôi nói, "tôi tự hào về con, acheivments của họ, và cách họ cư mình." Nếu tôi không nhận ra rằng nó là thông qua providence của Thiên Chúa mà tôi và vợ tôi đã có khả năng để dạy cho họ đúng để rằng họ làm tốt, tôi có thể cam kết những tội lỗi của niềm tự hào. Nếu tôi không để dạy cho trẻ em của tôi mà tất cả những gì họ làm và họ đạt tất cả những gì là cho glory của Thiên Chúa hơn sau đó, tôi có thể cam kết những tội lỗi của niềm tự hào. Nếu tôi nhìn vào challneges, nỗi sợ hãi và thất vọng mà điền vào cuộc sống của tôi và nhìn vào bản thân mình cho cứu trợ thay vì đặt nó dưới chân của Thiên Chúa và tin tưởng rằng ông làm việc trong cuộc sống của tôi cho mục đích riêng của mình và rằng mục đích là tốt, sau đó tôi chắc chắn cam kết những tội lỗi của niềm tự hào.Trả lời với báo giá #8 Cũ Jun 13, ' 11, 1:26 pmLớn Ro Avatar Lớn Ro lớn Ro là diễn đànThành viên thường xuyên Tham gia ngày: Tháng 10 11, 2009Bài viết: 1.353Tôn giáo: công giáoMặc định Re: Những gì hiện niềm tự hào có nghĩa là-là nó tốt hay xấu?Trích dẫn:Được gửi bởi puzzleannie View Postcách chúng tôi sử dụng "tự hào" trong những ví dụ này là không những gì là thư mục gốc của tội lỗi chết người của niềm tự hào. Đây là lời cảm ơn chính đáng của các thành tựu của con người.Niềm tự hào chết người là rằng hành vi phạm tội chống lại lệnh 1, tội lỗi của chúng tôi cha mẹ đầu tiên, nơi riêng của chúng tôi sẽ thay cho Thiên Chúa, khi chúng tôi đưa chúng ta định nghĩa của đúng và sai, disobeying răn của Ngài, và làm cho các vị thần của chính mình.Nice puzzleannie. Very nice.Reply With Quote #9 Old Jun 13, '11, 1:42 pmCarlan's Avatar Carlan Carlan is offlineRegular Member Join Date: June 15, 2009Posts: 3,458Religion: CatholicDefault Re: What does pride mean-is it good or bad?Quote:Originally Posted by Big Ro View PostYes. I thought I made that point. Did you read something different in to my post?Y es, you did. Sorry,I was unclear on that. Peace. Carlan__________________How often I have longed to gather your children as a hen gathers her brood under her wing.( Matthew 23:37)Reply With Quote #10 Old Jun 13, '11, 3:01 pmmusic2 music2 is offlineJunior Member Join Date: June 13, 2011Posts: 266Default Re: What does pride mean-is it good or bad?Hmm...thanks.I'm not sure if everyone is on the same page though as there seems to be conflicting theories.In general,i don't think he was boasting but was more saying that he was proud of an accomplishment he made regarding fixing some heater or something that he couldn't fix before.It made me uncomfortable cause of the "pride" word,so i was just like "oh thats nice" and changed the topic.So i think theres still general confusion regarding the meaning of "pride" and if there ok pride and "bad" pride etc?I wish the English language wouldn't use the same words for so many different feeling states.Reply With Quote #11 Old Jun 15, '11, 1:55 pmCarlan's Avatar Carlan Carlan is offlineRegular Member Join Date: June 15, 2009Bài viết: 3,458Tôn giáo: công giáoMặc định Re: Những gì hiện niềm tự hào có nghĩa là-là nó tốt hay xấu?Trích dẫn:Được gửi bởi music2 View PostHmm... Cảm ơn. Tôi không chắc chắn nếu tất cả mọi người là trên cùng một trang mặc dù, như có vẻ là lý thuyết xung đột.Nói chung, tôi không nghĩ rằng ông tự hào với nhưng nhiều hơn nữa đã nói rằng ông đã được tự hào về một thành tựu đã về sửa chữa một số nóng hoặc cái gì đó ông không thể sửa chữa trước khi.Nó làm cho tôi khó chịu nguyên nhân của từ "tự hào", do đó, tôi đã giống như "oh đó là tốt đẹp" và thay đổi chủ đề.Vì vậy, tôi nghĩ rằng theres vẫn còn chung nhầm lẫn về ý nghĩa của "tự hào" và nếu có ok niềm tự hào và niềm tự hào "xấu" vv?Tôi muốn anh ngữ sẽ không sử dụng cùng một từ cho rất nhiều cảm giác khác nhau kỳ.Tại sao là niềm tự hào một tội lỗi? Tôi nghĩ của niềm tự hào như quên Thiên Chúa như là nguồn gốc của hoàn thànhTôi không chịu trách nhiệm về những ân huệ tôi nhận được từ Thiên Chúa trong cuộc sống của tôi, hoặc sự hỗ trợ mà tôi nhận được từ những người khác.Tôi nghĩ rằng tự hào về tội lỗi như vậy đường nét phóng đại của tôi vai trò trong sự thành công của tôi, để loại trừ vai trò của Thiên Chúa và những người khác. Tôi không phải là tác giả của phần lớn các tài sản tốt hoặc những thành tựu của tôi.__________________Làm thế nào thường tôi đã mong để thu thập con cái của bạn như hen một tập hợp của cô brood dưới cánh của mình. (Matthew 23:37)Trả lời với báo giá #12 Cũ tháng sáu 15, ' 11, 2:03 chiềumusic2 music2 là diễn đànHọc cơ sở thành viên Tham gia ngày: Ngày 13 tháng 6 năm 2011Bài viết: 266Mặc định Re: Những gì hiện niềm tự hào có nghĩa là-là nó tốt hay xấu?Trích dẫn:Được gửi bởi Carlan View PostWhy is pride a sin? I think of pride as forgetting God as the source of accomplishmentI am not responsible for the grace I receive from God in my life, or the support I receive from others.I think of sinful pride as that which exaggerates my role in my success, to the exclusion of the role of God and others. I am not the author of the majority of my good fortune or accomplishments.Do you mean sort of like when actors receive an award and in their speech they say "I thank God..." or am i misunderstanding?Reply With Quote #13 Old Jun 15, '11, 2:09 pmMe1234 Me1234 is offlineBanned Join Date: March 14, 2011Posts: 70Religion: CatholicDefault Re: What does pride mean-is it good or bad?Pride is not thanking God but puffing-out your chest at your accomplishments. Not being humble [it's opposite]. Holding yourself in higher esteem than God.Reply With Quote #14 Old Jun 15, '11, 2:19 pmMe1234 Me1234 is offlineBanned Join Date: March 14, 2011Posts: 70Religion: CatholicDefault Re: What does pride mean-is it good or bad?Quote:Originally Posted by Carlan View PostI am not responsible for the grace I receive from God in my life, or the support I receive from others.I think of sinful pride as that which exaggerates my role in my success, to the exclusion of the role of God and others. I am not the author of the majority of my good fortune or accomplishments.You get all the grace you will need to defend the faith, and to live a godly life is given to you at confirmation. You are responsible to whether you use the grace God's given or not. It's how you use or fail to use all that since you have a choice you are responsible for it. God's going to hold everybody accountable for that.Reply With Quote

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